Van Gogh y Rembrandt + Rijksmuseum

Los grandes maestros

Excelente museo con mucha obra de arte de muchos lugares del mundo. Muy bien organizados y con app en tu idioma para seguir el recorrido . Obras de artistas muy reconocidos como Rembrandt, Rubens, etc. Muy recomendable.

Infaltable en viaje a AMS

Primordial entrar en la web y separar la fecha de viaje o visita al museo al menos con 6 u 8 semanas antes para tener espacios adecuados. El guia es muy importante ya que van a poder conocer detalles unicos que al recorrer con auto guia o solo no se conoce. Lo recomiendo vale la pena. El museo tiene excelente ropero para guardar ropa, paraguas, baños limpios y un bar y restaurante de primera. Vale la pena separar 1 dia para el museo

Más que buen arte

Una maravillosa experiencia. Tomamos muchas fotos. Puedes agendar visita guiada o usar el dispositivo para la gira. Además, si escaneas el código QR, puedes escuchar la gira en tu dispositivo y ahorras. Los baños son limpios, hay guarda ropa. El café tiene cositas deliciosas.

Un museo imprescindible en Ámsterdam

El Rijksmuseum es un museo imprescindible si visitas la ciudad de Ámsterdam. Es conveniente sacar la entrada por adelantado, y para su visita hay que considerar un tiempo estimado que oscila entre 2 y 3 horas. Las obras que alberga son una verdadera maravilla, destacando "Ronda de noche", "Los síndicos de los pañeros" o "La lechera".

Museo espectacular

Uno de los mejores museos del mundo con infinidad de obras de renombre donde destacan obras de Rembrand, Goya, Rubens... entre muchos otros. Ideal para pasar toda la mañana.

Inmenso en todos los sentidos

Museo muy amplio y lleno de variedad porque nos encontramos arte, artesanía y por supuesto historia. Cuenta con obras de pintores neerlandeses y también de otros países, nos encontramos con un Goya, creo que sólo había uno. También alberga bastante s obras del maestro Rembrandt. Para poder ver La lechera, de Johannes Vermeer, tuvimos que hacer cola por la gran cantidad de gente que se agolpaba a su alrededor. El museo es muy completo ya que hay expuesto mobiliario, vajilla, porcelana... Se necesita casi un día para poder verlo. En nuestro caso fueron 5 horas para poder verlo entero y sin mucha pausa, de lo contrario no llegas a su totalidad

Gran museo

Un gran museo, grandes obras, muy organizado. Se lo puede disfrutar. Todo es muy bello, desde el contenedor y todo su contenido

Padrísimo Museo

Un museo muy completo, muy variado, me encantó, si te lleva toda la mañana, tiene audio guía muy fácil de usar nos encantó

Museo de referencia

Un gran museo general europeo, centrado, como es lógico en las grandes obras pictóricas holandesas. Rembrandt tiene una gran atención y hay obras de Vermeer o Hals o Steen icónicas. Uno de los museos indispensables si se visita Amsterdam.

Muy buena muestra

El museo está muy bien presentado y el edificio es imponente. Es un tanto difícil seguir el orden de las salas por número y algunas obras plásticas no estaban en ese momento

There were plenty of Rembrandts

We wanted to get into the Van Gogh musem but it was booked solid for 2 weeks out so we went to Rijks Museum. It was good with a few Van Goghs, plus quite a number of Rembrandts as well as Vermeer and a Monet. Staff were helpful and we had a light lunch in their cafeteria.

Was ist Amsterdam ohne das Rijksmuseum?

Das Museum ist ein absolutes Highlight. Die Erklärungen zu den Bildern sind kurz und eingängig. - Man bietet Gruppen von Kindern ein besonderes Erlebnis. Erfahrene Leute vermitteln Kindern einen Zugang zu den Bildern. So erreicht man, dass Kinder auch als Erwachsene ein Museum besuchen. Die Ausschilderung auf den Straßen könnte besser sein.

Incontournable!

Un musée avec des œuvres magnifiques. Après la visite, possibilité de faire une petite pause sucrée agréable et de qualité. Le gâteau à la mangue est délicieux!

A must see in Amsterdam

A must see if visiting Amsterdam. We went with teens and everyone found something they liked. We could not get into the Anne frank house, or the Van Gogh museum, but we think this is enough! There are some Van Goghs here, plus Rembrandt and Vermeer. It was pretty busy when we went, but people moved through things quickly, so you were able to see the popular artworks.

Incanto e bellezza da secoli e per secoli

Bello. Bello. BELLO. Tutto del Museo è un "wow" che ti esce spontaneamente dal cuore. L'edificio antico. Le sue integrazioni moderne. L'organizzazione estremamente fluida e senza sforzo da un piano di periodo artistico all'altro. Le collezioni. I capolavori di Rembrandt e Vermeer. La parte di reperti storici che narrano la grande storia commerciale dell'Olanda (la fissata di storia & arte che sono gongola quando le due cose così naturalmente si mescolano quindi immaginatemi FELICE al top mentre giravo per il Rijks). Ma da brava Italiana (e fiorentina) già le opere di tardo medioevo e primo rinascimento Italiano, i magnifici vetri veneziani, le opere dei primi fiamminghi in dialogo con i nostri artisti del 400 mi hanno lasciata incantata. Il Museo semplicemente VA VISTO. E come mi sono accorta capita sempre in Olanda, ogni visita è sorprendente e "facile" per la bravura che hanno in ogni frangente gli olandesi di organizzare tutto benissimo senza fartelo "pesare". Sembrano non esserci, tanto è facile capire come è organizzato il museo, ma se hai bisogno come per magia "arrivano" e ti risolvono i problemi con grande efficacia e sempre con un bel sorriso accogliente e disponibile. TOP.

Amazing

Beautiful museum, they have a lot of different types of art and that surprised me! We walked around for 4 hours and it was very interesting. I definitely recommend if you’re in amsterdam and loves art!

Incredible Art

This impressive building hosts some marvelous and famous art. 90% of what we wanted to see was contained in the Central Hall which included the superb Vermeers and the Rembrandts. Stand-outs were Rembrandt’s huge Night Watch and Treaty of Munster. We hunted down a few other works including a large canvas of the battle of Waterloo. There was a special exhibit of Hals and it was interesting to learn about his special technique and that he was painting master quality canvases in a short time, sometimes in one sitting. Remember to make a free timed entrance reservation before arriving – even if you are using the I Heart Amsterdam Card.

Duth Masters

Highly recommend doing the guided tour which provides interesting information and background to the collection and highlights. Learned a lot! Exquisite pieces of several famous Dutch painters that are must-sees.

Quick Online Ticket Purchase While in Queue for Entry

Prepare to be awestruck at the Rijksmuseum—where art and history weave together in a tapestry of wonder! Booking tickets online in advance is a stroke of genius; they don't sell them onsite! From the majestic halls to the intimate galleries, each masterpiece, including stunning stained glass, intricate dollhouses, and impressive ship models, tells a story that captivates the heart and mind. And yes, you'll find a mesmerizing Van Gogh piece here too! The museum's layout is as brilliant as its exhibits, making navigation a breeze. We were enchanted by Rembrandt's strokes and Vermeer's light—truly a treasure trove of Dutch artistry. For a cultural adventure that's both enriching and enchanting, the Rijksmuseum is an absolute must-visit in Amsterdam!

Gallery of Honor Must See

It is large, if one only has limited time I would recommend engaging the services of a private guide and share your interests with them. This museum is way too large to view by yourself without contracting museum fatigue. We had four hours and Mrs. Shamaal walks with the aid of a cane so I guide who could arrange the outside elevator and knew where the inside ones were was a tremendous asset. For the most popular and famous paintings the Gallery of Honor has sequestered these items separately. We had a stress-free experience and truly enjoyed ourselves, even the tweenage Shamaalina.

Do not miss it

Amazing spot on the very edge of the city center of Amsterdam. If you're around the city especially coming to the centrum via public transport which might literally drop you next to famous Rijksmuseum (next to big famous photo place with big Amsterdam letters sign) definitely do not miss it , it is an important part of overall Ams gained experience.

So much to see, allow plenty of time

There's so much to see in this museum make sure you give yourself enough time to do it justice. It's worth taking a guide or an audio tour to be sure to see the best bits. The gardens around the museum are lovely and a great place to sit on a nice day. Getting tickets wasn't a problem - we just turned up and did it online at the door with our IAM card.

Rijksmuseum

When you are in Amsterdam schedule at least 4 hours for this museum, and more if you have the time. We booked it through a Viator site, but should have saved the money and gone through the museum's web site. It is first class and on par with the Smithsonian or British Museum.

Magnifique musée à na pas rater

Comme accompagnateur d'un voyag scolaire, je peux affirmer que les élèves ont apprécié cette visite.Il n"ont pu aller au musée Van Gogh ni à la maison d'Anne Franck, faute de réservation en temps suffisant. Mais s'il était nécessaire de se poser devant le portrait de Van Gogh, le passage devant les oeuvres de Rembrandt ou Vermeer exposées dans la galerie d'honneur a été apprécié. N'oubliez pas de faire un saut dans les salles d'art contemporain, surtout les sujets peints ou dessinés sur des coupures de presse. Salle de restauration, boutique et vestiaire une fois entré.

revives my old studies

This museum was an excellent experience recommended by the concierge at the Hotel Okura. Upon viewing the exhibits, I realized how much I had forgotten about the Dutch history as studied in elementary school over 70 years ago. And some of the inspiring art work from 400 years ago......well before my country was even established. This was a very worthwhile experience.

Must see

Great art museum, one of the worlds great art museums. Its large so budget for a day here i think if you want to see the best of it. If you havent bought a ticket online or using the QR code there is a place with the sign Museum shop one side of the museum where you can buy a ticket and please be careful of the bicycles going through the middle arches of the building! The Van gogh portrait is wonderful and the Night Watch well worth seeing but I also particularly enjoyed the asian pavilion and the arms exhibit. Also the exhibitions detailing Hollands colonial past on places like Suriname and the Antilles was very informative. Rembrandt, vermeer, van gogh what else can you say. Take a walk around the gardens also, they have some lovely sculptures, especially at the front of the museum and a nice wing nut tree at the back. The gardens are free but i believe a single adult ticket was about 22 euro.

Rijksmuseum and Special Exhibit

Booked special entry for the Frans Hals exhibition that was amazing. Separate section and a lot to see. It is a huge museum, and I was very happy to have the audio tour, that allowed me to choose which pieces I wanted to hear about. It was a thrill to see some specific paintings that I had always wanted to see. I spent the day and had lunch on site.

Rijksmuseum is a must of Amsterdam

Great museum, lots of information on the exhibits. Slightly difficult to navigate for many people but eventually you understand the layout of the building.

Highlight of Amsterdam

Only spent about 2 hours but it could have been two days. Lots to see over the three floors that have been organized by time periods. The top floor covers the heyday of the Netherlands in the 17th century and is full of examples of the riches created during this era. Highly recommend an audio guide or a regular guide to help interpret everything that is on display.

stunning art, well layed out

stunning art museum. try to go as early as possible and book in advance. cannot overestimate how incredible the art is. timed entry helps but it gets very crowded. could spend a few hours here easily

Incredibly diverse collection of top artists

Such an amazing art museum. It's up there with Musée d'Orsay in quality. Starting with our favorite, Vincent Van Gogh!, followed by other favorites, Rembrandt (several of his including his most famous, The Night Watch!), Vermeer (including his most famous, The Milkmaid!). So many other incredible artists in one collection. A very powerful collection that was so exciting to visit.

Enjoyed learning about and getting a deeper appreciation for the art

Our Guide, Martinas, was extremely knowledgeable and highly proficient in explaining the depth of the artist’s skills. She worked very hard to maximize our time in the museum.

Loved seeing 'The Night Watch' & also the beautiful library

Beautiful building but massive queue to enter, it was raining & we were waiting outside for about half an hour even with our 10am pre-booked slot! I love museums & art, the museum is massive & full of works of art, you could really spend the whole day there but there wasn't really a lot that I was personally interested in so a couple of hours was plenty for us. To be honest it was worth it just to see Rembrandt's The Night Watch! The library was an unexpected highlight for me- I loved it!

Perdersi tra i fiamminghi!

Museo d'arte da non perdere! L'edificio è molto grande, ci sono due entrate ma è indifferente il lato dal quale si inizia: al quarto piano si può passare da un'ala all'altra senza uscire dalla struttura. I piani sono suddivisi per secoli. È obbligatorio prenotare online selezionando un orario d'entrata, anche se si possiede una card turistica (ad esempio I Amsterdam Card), consiglio di prenotare all'apertura, più tardi diventa affollato. Qui sono esposte moltissime opere, forse meno blasonate di altri musei europei, ma ci sono diverse chicche come Carracci, Van Gogh, Vermeer, Rembrandt e una vasta selezione di fiamminghi. Al momento della mia visita (maggio 2024) era presente una bellissima exhibition di Frans Hals! Non dimenticate di dare uno sguardo dall'alto sulla biblioteca, imponente! Ci sono aree dedicate anche all'arte più contemporanea, arte orientale, modellini navali e tanto altro. Guardaroba gratuito. Entrata gratuita (con prenotazione) con I Amsterdam Card. Durata della visita con comodo: 4 ore.

A monument filled with monuments

Massive and worth it! I was in there for hours and it absolutely did not feel like enough. So much to take in! Lots and lots of people though, so be prepared to wait.

Massive Museum

The museum is a good place to explore, especially on a rainy day. There were people crowding around famous paintings like Rembrandt's The Night Watch, but most areas were not like that.

Great Experience

What an amazing place! I wish I had more time to spend there because there were other exhibits I would have liked to see. We went to see the Frans Hals exhibit and it was amazing. What a fabulous painter. It almost seemed as if the lace and other materials he painted in the portraits were real, that you could actually touch them. This is an exhibit not to miss. I also visited The Night Watch painting and the other Gallery of Honor paintings of Vermeer. All excellent! I enjoyed being able to view these masters as the opportunity to do so has been on my bucket list.

Fabulous, spacious and amazing

We came to the museum in May to see the excellent Frans Hals exhibition. The Rijksmuseum is enormous and spacious with clear signage and free lockers for your coats and bags. Directed by a downloadable app on our mobile phones, the commentary to Frans Hals was in crystal clear English and highlighted about 22 of the paintings in the exhibition. Frans Hals painted portraits almost exclusively – and they lack the humanity of his contemporary, Rembrandt. But the exhibition was interesting, engaging and informative. I learned a lot about Hals as a society painter in the 17th century. After a cup of coffee in the buffet (slow service, and pricey) we then took the Highlights tour which was equally excellent. It took us around about twenty key exhibits ranging from the famous ‘Nighwatch’ by Rembrandt, through a couple of mediocre impressionists, some Van Goghs and even some Japanese sculpture. Again, clearly explained, not too wordy and refreshingly unpretentious. Each tour took about 75 minutes and we thoroughly recommend them both.

Great Museum

I enjoyed the Rijksmuseum. There are many great paintings here. It is extremely crowded, though. I have been to most of the big museums in Europe and this one felt the most crowded by far. I ended my visit a little early because it was so crowded. It is a great museum with great art so I would definitely recommend it but be ready for the crowds.

Rotterdam, Rembrandt and canals.

Dear all, Netherland is a contry where you can find a lot of museums, monuments, canals and fantastic restaurant from the world dishes. We have had fantastic opportunity at May to visit Den Haag and Rotterdam. Communication in Den Haag and Rotterdam is perfect but not cheep. Even you decide on the tram or train you need to be prepared spent more euros. However, if you visited the Rotterdam Rijksmuseum, money is does not mater. Fantastic Flemish painters, sculptors, or unbelievable history of Dutch and Flemish of conquests. The last one is proofed by the cabinets, pictures, porcelance, glasses and other hand made products delivered from the distant lands. But the Cherrie on the cake is Rembrandt and his pictures. You can forgot about the time. "The Night guards" this is minimum hour, maybe two, but this is only one small level. In the museum we have to visit minimum 4 levels, this is one day minimum. Truly, two days do not enough to visit all levels and all rooms. On the end we visited the shop gallery with reproductions. Next hour and next euros, gone, but with out of stress. I can recommend visit in Rotterdam. This is must have.

Beautiful Architectural Designed Building Filled with Classic Art

The first thing that hits you as you approach the Rijksmuseum is its beautiful architecture. Once inside, the Rembrandt paintings alone are worth the price of admission. The Dutch Masters and the Night Watch are 2 famous paintings amongst the vast Rembrandt collection. There is also a 3 painting collection of Van Gogh works. Another highlight for me was on the ground floor that includes a large collection of ship models. The museum layout is well thought out by the curators and provides a nice crowd flow. My small group only allowed ourselves to stay for one hour, so we missed out on fully appreciating the vast collection of artwork, porcelain pieces, and sculpture. The outdoor gardens and fountains were well kept. Overall, a must see when visiting Amsterdam.

... fantastico...

... inutile descrivere le opere d'arte ospitate nel museo ... le trovate tutte sul web ... quello che posso suggerire è di acquistare i biglietti on-line per risparmiare tempo sulla fila che comunque anche nel periodo di maggio non era notevole ed era gestita molto bene con due ingressi ... per le opere principali troverete dei fogli plastificati che descrivono l'opera anche nei suoi dettagli e che permettono di ammirarne le parti più interessanti ... ovviamente questi fogli sono soltanto in lingua olandese ed inglese ... altro accorgimento è quello di selezionare preventivamente le opere da vedere ... è un museo enorme e bellissimo ma richiederebbe intere giornate per approfondirlo ... selezionare le opere principali ed individuare le sale in cui si trovano richiederà almeno un un paio d'ore si trarra delle opere suggerite dal museo stesso sul proprio sito ...

Vraiment à faire

Très belle expérience,des portraits magnifiques et pleins d’autres œuvres spectaculaires. Vraiment magnifique..

Bello ma male organizzato nel flusso

Interessante, ma l'organizzazione con periodo fino al 1600 al piano 0, 1700-1800 al piano 2, post 1800 al piano 1 non è proprio logica. Il percorso è numerato per stanze, ma, se si inizia da metà, per andare alla stanza 1 bisogna scendere e risalire di un piano. Le luci non sono sempre adeguate all'illuminazione dei quadri. L'ambiente è bello e con molti bagni e armadietti o consegna zaini con molto personale, però un museo si giudica non solo da questo e dalle opere contenute, ma anche dalla facilità di fruizione.

Come perdersi nella Bellezza!

E'un monumento all' arte in forme tradizionali. Museo molto ricco di testimonianze artistiche di secoli addietro con un focus speciale su i fasti del 600 in Olanda. Da non perdere la sezione piano terra/ marina!!! Il museo ospita mostre temporanee di artisti di fama ( nel 23 vermeer, nel 24 hals) : le sole mostre valgono il viaggio. Consiglio due visite data la mole di quanto esposto.. Aggiungo però poca attenzione ai visitatori " terza età", prese per pc a terra quando ci sono, personale non particolarmente empatico. Ristorante, caro, in testa.

Why go here?

It’s a must - buy tickets first from the ticket booth 4-5 minutes walk south of the museum. Tickets for adults are €22.50 each and during busy times will have a fixed time to enter. On arrival pick up a floor plan - but my advice is head straight to see the Van Gogh and Rembrandt paintings - wow. I attach just a few pictures to get your interest peaked! There’s a nice gift shop and cafe on the entry level and elevators/ lifts if the steps are too much for the 3 floors. So much to see, very knowledgeable staff - be aware your bags are searched and if you wear a backpack you’ll need to wear it on your chest not your back! Tip? Allow at least 3 hours to really enjoy the visit and look at the gardens too which do justice to the beautiful building too!

Go to the highlights first

The museum is quite huge and impressive enough. Even lesser known artists had their share of greatness inside. But you can really be pressed with time particularly if you’re in a tour group which is my case. So I suggest going to the highlight first before touring around . I am referring to the Night Watch which has its own freshening up when we came. So be ready to be slightly disappointed. Now I am not sure of its present condition set up . For those not in a rush spend 2-3 hours here , have some snacks and then purchase souvenirs.

One of the highlights of Amsterdam

The Rijks is easy to reach by the tram, and very close to the Van Gogh Museum. You can easily do both in one day. Most people will spend one to two hours here. I found it interesting that there are fewer Rembrandts than at the Louvre. If you are among the first in, go directly to the highlights section on the second floor to beat the crowds and get a better look at The Watchmen. Be careful waking through the covered part of the building at the entrances. Bikes zip through like the road is part of the Tour de France. I had a good stroopwafel from a food truck set up in a small park behind the museum.

Must see in Amsterdam

The Rijksmuseum is definitely a must see if you’re in Amsterdam:) the painting collection, as well as the collection of weapons and ships will strike not only teenagers (I had two with me:)), but also adults who have seen a lot of museums. It’s very well organised: one can get an audio guide (available for additional payment), but also use your own smartphone by simply downloading an application. I recommend you reserve at least 3 hours for the visit.

Worth a visit.

The Rijks museum was amazing. So much to see. The craftsmanship in the works on display is amazing and take the time, to stroll around the lovely gardens as well. With mobility issues I was always on the lookout for Lifts/elevators to make it easier to get from floor to floor and that wasn't a problem there. We only had time to spend a few hours there but did manage coffee and cake at the cafe. You will not be able to take big bags with you as is the case with most museums but they have a very good bag drop area. Be prepared to queue there, it can get very busy.

By mistake me, my wife and my baby girl have visited the Van Gogh x Rembrandt but honestly what an experience to have in Amsterdam. Bruno was super cool and has shared so much after the presentation too. Definitely if you are in Amsterdam you should pay them a visit!

Great experience, beautiful views and informative but not boring at all.

A magical experience from start to finish. I was wowed by every change of scène. You don't just get to see the art, you get to live in it

Great price and worth the visit.

My husband and I really enjoyed this experience. It was a great way to increase our basic knowledge of both artists while enjoying the visuals of their works projected in a place they met. The experience was immersive and cut you off from the outside world. While we were a few minutes late, the staff were accomodating and the experience was worth our time. Would recommend.

What a wonderful way to enjoy both artists stories and feel as if you’re in the painting. You can stand, sit or lie down on large pillows. My daughter and I happened upon this immersive experience, offered in Dutch and English. A 360 degree projection in De Noorderkerk. The staff were gracious and kind! I couldn’t have asked for a better serendipitous immersive art experience. I highly recommend and would see again. Tickets can be bought at the door.

Great venue and lovely helpful staff. Unique experience

Visited this exhibition and although had some trouble finding it it was well worth it. The staff were so helpful helping us find our way back to central train station. Amazing venue and insightful story told. The projections of the artists works were incredible. A fully emersive experience we would strongly recommend.

A unique experience

A unique experience with the famous paintings projected on the church ceiling and wall while you lie on bean bags to listen to the story behind them

Emotional & evocative.

I left with goosebumps, this was such a unique & touching experience. Feel blessed to have experienced it. Jus wonderful, it really made my holiday.

I wondered how it will be, the result for me is that I was very satisfied. Indeed, it is well done, both for images, Lights and sounds. I think I understand now better who is Rembrandt and I have to say that thanks to this show I also appreciate his paints...

An interesting take on same famous artists. Very comfortable seating and an all immersive viewing for 45 mins. If you want something a little different and not too much detail this is ideal. NB. You should know a little about the two and art before heading in.

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Geweldige ervaring in een prachtige ambiance. Jammer dat de speaker in het engels is. Ik woon in Nederland.!,Verder absolute aanrader!

Very nice environment , perfectly made installation! A lot of room for sitting. The old church keeps the vibe. And it is amazing to feel that Rembrandt and Van Gogh were in the same church sitting maybe on the same place. Both children and grandparents were in love. See more pictures and videos attached.

One of the best 3D projections experiences I have ever seen and a compelling story to go with it. We really enjoyed this production and the beautiful venue. Great attention to detail in the story, the visuals and a lovely soundtrack bring this entire experience to the next level. Highly recommended and, in my opinion, better than many other Rembrandt and Van Gogh Amsterdam attractions...

Gave experiance.

Een prachtige filmische experiance over Van Gogh en Rembrandt. In de embiance van de oude Noorderkerk zie je over de nog steeds aanwezige onderdelen van de kerk, zoaks oreekstorl, orgel, kroonluchters en kerkramen impressies van werken van Van Gogh en van Rembrandt.

Beautiful and emotionally very touching! An absolute must for a real VanGogh fan! I also liked the overlays from paintings by both artists. And all this this presented in a beautiful very old church that both artists had visited during their time ! Stunning!♥️♥️♥️

absolut beeindruckend!

Eine wirklich sehenswerte Veranstaltung. Die Atmosphäre in der Kirche ist beeindruckend und der Sound umspielt alles richtig gut. Absolut zu empfehlen!

How the lives of these two Dutch (and the world's) masters intertwined in an absolutely breathtaking digital re-imagined storytelling. It's a must if you visit (or live) in Amsterdam. Highly recommended!!!